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Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:04 am
by Killuah Zodiach
Just a suggestion, these need a nerf. +30 perform is way too high, as most know this is great for bards, but makes it too easy to get the + from bardsongs.
Bards should be required to take points in charisma, and the + skill feats in order to get high perform.
I suggest nerfing these down to +10.
After all gloves of the minstrel are +3, then we jump to +30?
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:09 am
by Killuah Zodiach
I also suggest that you could implement some more instruments dropping, to add additional +2 or +1 perform, so bards have to hoard all types of instruments, but somehow making sure the bonuses don't stack, so we get 1 of each instrument up to a total of +10 perform across 10 random instruments, from flutes, to horns.
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:12 am
by driller
I agree. I wasn't paying attention when I added it. Nerfed to +6.
Killuah Zodiach wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:04 am
Just a suggestion, these need a nerf. +30 perform is way too high, as most know this is great for bards, but makes it too easy to get the + from bardsongs.
Bards should be required to take points in charisma, and the + skill feats in order to get high perform.
I suggest nerfing these down to +10.
After all gloves of the minstrel are +3, then we jump to +30?
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:15 am
by Roland Deschain
http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Bard_song
nerfing to +6 makes high levels of Bard song unobtainable ( don't have one myself, just pointing it out )
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:30 am
by nobody-special
What?!!! I haven't gotten a pair of the +30 gloves yet and you are already nerfing them? Nerfing them 24 points? How bout we just go havsies on this issue?
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:54 am
by Sapphire
That is a very harsh nerf reducing from 30 to only +6 ... Though I don't play the EE version am sure that greater gloves of the minstral are +6 already... So in my opinion epic should be a step up from that perhaps +10 or +12 ...
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:19 pm
by driller
http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Bard_song
The bonus to skills provided by this ability counts towards the +50 skill bonus cap.
This lets PCs get easy crafting. It kind of ruins the whole ideal of making a crafter like those hammers I nerfed.
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:17 pm
by Capt Cliff
My bard is 36 and with two hammers he has a craft of 90 ... so the nerf seems about right .... he does have those +30 perform gloves ... unless they nerfed ...*rummages through pack*
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:29 pm
by Forgery
anyway you could not nerf them and make them a high end drop rather than a shop buy? taking perform away from bards for the sake of crafters seems like 1 sided favortism towards crafters while neglecting bards
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:01 pm
by driller
Bards have never had any trouble before recently adding these gloves. Why is it an issue now?
Forgery wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:29 pm
anyway you could not nerf them and make them a high end drop rather than a shop buy? taking perform away from bards for the sake of crafters seems like 1 sided favortism towards crafters while neglecting bards
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:46 pm
by Forgery
im sure they would like to achieve 100 perform. maybe im wrong.
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:22 pm
by Kane0
So does this mean there is only one build that can get the max required craft for forging?
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:29 pm
by Roland Deschain
Kane0 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:22 pm
So does this mean there is only one build that can get the max required craft for forging?
No there are several that can get max craft
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:05 pm
by Kane0
Roland Deschain wrote: ↑Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:29 pm
No there are several that can get max craft
Ah cheers.
Why not bring them to match epic gloves of concentration/discipline? Arent they +10 or +15?
Re: Epic Gloves of the Minstrel
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2018 9:08 am
by Forgery
i did some research and it looks like 4perform = 1 crafting skill. so currently the gloves give 1.5 crafting could you buff them up just a tad? even at 30 thats only 7craft total not enough to make a bard a crafter simply cause he is a bard. it is however a loss of saving throws and hit points and even some damage from curse song. Much love to you all