Over 90% of the playable areas are PvP... The Keep and shops are the only non-PvP places of significance. Why is it so unreasonable that there is a place that exists that allows newbies and regulars alike to interact with others without some jerk ruining things?
Some fellow wrote:There's just no way that allowing PvP in the Keep will generate more RP, at least not if pickpocketing is included. On the contrary: it will discourage RP, as people will simply not dare to hang around by the tree anymore.
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But there are jerks, as your experience proves. We're not talking about players who have decided their PCs should be evil, *Enlarged for emphasies -Myle*we're talking about players who deliberately spoil the experience of other players. That is, when those people kill other PCs without consent, the victim is not just the PC getting killed but also the player controlling that PC. So it's not just their characters breaking the rules of the Keep or the World, it's also the players themselves breaking the rules of conduct of the server. There are already proper proceedings to deal with such incidents (take screenshots, tell a DM etc). Dealing with such things in game would probably just encourage them.
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What makes you think Driller has any say over who his DM's are?
k9mouse wrote:Roland Deschain wrote:viobane wrote:
K9... That just makes no sense. DMs will know much better than any player who is able to handle such a responsibility without abusing it. Heck, you might as well say that players should vote on the next DM! It's not a popularity contest.
Once again K9 look at this post real good and read the last two lines a few times.
are we going to talk or are you going to try to flame me
![Question :?:](./images/smilies/icon_question.gif)
~cooks a hot dog on your flame~
now can we get back to our talk
not all players are dumb, they know a few good people also.....
edited to put in the full quote....
The truth is, the PLAYERS DO CHOOSE who their DM's are. The selection of DM's is made from the playerbase. Anyone of you who have not already proven beyond use, could be the next DM and the choice is completely YOURS.
Your ethics, your choices, the quality of your play, the dedication you show to the success of the server.
While true, Driller has appointed a few DM's for mysterious reasons known only to him, the vast majority of DM's have become DM's because their own choices and actions show them worthy of having the trust of the position extended to them.
Sometimes it ends up as a bad match, usually we end up witha good match.
But YOU as players have complete control over who the DM's will be. It is just that the only person you can vote for, is yourself, by your own choices.
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BaskingDemon wrote:
p.s. I would quite like to make a robbing bastard of a highwayman. You know the Dick Turpin style (without the horse). Kind of" stand and deliver, your money or your life" bandit... except it would be more like "stand and deliver, your money or... well first you have to agree to let me kill you,,, then when I do, I raise you back... ok?"
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And you CAN do this.... Driller has actually stated that this kind of RP is fine by him, but that abuse ties the hands of fun.
Exactly HOW do you do this, you aks?
-Establish your character's RP
-Contact a DM
-Request allowance for your troll to claim a bridge, bandit to claim an ambush zone, etc.... with a DM.
-Let the DM's discuss it
-If approved, we can actually post a forum waver for "x" character and "y" player to have certian criminal liberties open to them.
-Excerise your new liberties with due consideration that things are not over done and cause more trouble that it is worth.
The only problem here... is such an applicant would have to have a reputation that the DM's trusted them not to abuse the waver.
As DM's..... we can get together and make admendiums to the rules if we as peers think it will better the server.
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HelloBSK wrote:
LordofUndeath wrote:My beef against PvP in the keep is the fact that thieves will run amok and pick pockets till the end times!
Stop your whining!!! There are ways to avoid thieves just like in real life. USE THEM!
Last night two idiots came on and ran around BSK in the nude spilling obsinities at people and just acting like fouls. I should have been able to kill them both for just being stupid. They were there for only one purpose and that is to get on everyones nerves. We should be able to protect BSK from this sort of behavior and you know what, we should be able to use our skills, spells and feats wherever we go.
Oh and before anyone flames me for not being able to spell I tell you all now, get over it, I suck at spelling!!!
Love you all and I am sure this will upset some, but it needs to be said for all our good. Keep playing and having fun!!!
Actually there is not way to stop a theif and it was not uncommon when the Keep was PvP for PP players to target a player and strip them of their Akon stones over a few minutes with low level PP dupes. After expending the stones, they then log on with their other characters and PP the victim with a high level PP.
High spot ONLY allows your character to see.... not stop... a PP from taking place.
The only useful foil to a PP is to fill your inventory with a bunch of bullets or other crap and even then, your relying solely on the luck of percentages to stop the PP from taking anythink of significant value. The NWN mechanic for PP does not allow ANY way to protect yourself from a PP attempt in multiplayer. It was not designed as a MP skill.
As for those nake obecene people....
Do you have screenshots? If not, why not?... If your able and willing to PvP a pair of nake obcene guys, what keep you from following the prescribed rules and taking SS's for the DM's?
And....
What makes you think that killing them will help? If their desire is to cause trouble and unrest, they will not care if you PvP them, they will just lay there and curse you or respawn and start over.
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Lastly,
The PvP "solution" for the Keep is baseless and is easily exposed for what it is.... It is nothing more than the attempt to grant those who want the liberty to use violence at their OWN discression for purposes that fit their OWN definition of how events should unfold.
The current non-PvP settings in the Keep, coupled with the current rules for reporting misconduct are COMPLETELY within the ability of anyone who has been able to type up a request that the Keep be made PvP because of the misplaced idea that players "need" to be able to police the unruly.
There is no NEED for the Keep to be PvP, but there is a long list of benifits to the server that warrent leaving it non-PvP.
A lazy playerbase who will not take the time to report a violation and E-mail screenshots is not suitable justification for the change.
Myle